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EDU 58892 – Class #12 12/26/10

In Attendance:

Robert Lewis Sharleen Ayala Bernice Ayala Jose Palomino Lucille Donza-Belvedere Yvonne Rosa Lorna Gill Olinda Ramirez Gloria Calder

(19:09:43) Lewis : feliz nativdad (19:09:52) sayala : Navidad* (19:10:21) Lewis : oooo... Standard American English when chatting? lol (19:10:53) bayala : Hey!!! (19:10:53) Maria_Candelario : Greetings once again (19:11:31) ChatBot : yrosa logs into the Chat. (19:11:32) sayala : Greetings (19:11:44) bayala : Everyone enjoying the snow? (19:12:23) ChatBot : ldonza logs into the Chat. (19:12:26) jpalomino : home eating black bean soup (19:12:47) ldonza : the snow is terrible (19:12:55) ChatBot : lgill logs into the Chat. (19:13:09) Lewis : not much snow here in PA (19:13:12) Maria_Candelario : the snow looks nicew, but i dont want to be out in it (19:13:14) jpalomino : yes piling up (19:13:36) ldonza : of course it has to snow over our break from work! (19:13:38) jpalomino : is Boricua open tomorrow robert? (19:13:46) bayala : Come back to the Metro area... Lots of it. (19:13:53) sayala : Sadly I am already out and soon need to get home - Visiting Dam (19:13:59) Lewis : I think it is, but I won't be. (19:14:01) sayala : Fam* (19:14:04) ldonza : hopefully we dont have to travel (19:14:15) ldonza : to go to school. (19:14:39) Lewis : so i see everyone that is online is here in the chatroom... (19:14:55) bayala : I won't be in tomorrow.... (19:14:55) yrosa : hey (19:14:59) ldonza : is everyone in the chat room? (19:15:09) Lewis : so i see everyone that is online is here in the chatroom... (19:15:10) jpalomino : raise (19:15:11) sayala : Bloomberg Closed the Public Schol for the the children, yet I don't think they had school any way (19:15:13) ldonza : I think a lot of people wont show up tom (19:15:15) Lewis : call (19:15:17) Maria_Candelario : ok,so I wanted to begin tonight by discussing simple strategies in teaching english to second language learners (19:15:26) bayala : So.... If everyone is in let's rock and roll. (19:15:29) lgill : many other colleges have cancel classes for tomorrow ,maybe we won't have to go in. (19:15:49) ldonza : ok ... hopefully we dont have to go tom (19:16:03) ldonza : so what will we be learning tonight? (19:16:04) sayala : Let's get the Simple Strategies Started (19:16:12) Lewis : I prefer jazz, but let's let Prof. Candelario chat (19:16:14) ldonza : Do we take notes? LOL (19:16:15) Maria_Candelario : it looks rather unpleasant to go out in for sure (19:16:28) ldonza : it sure does (19:17:28) bayala : Do u mean like using realia? Visuals, etc when teaching ESL (19:17:43) Maria_Candelario : yes (19:17:52) ChatBot : gcalder logs into the Chat. (19:18:17) Maria_Candelario : or before starting a lesson doing warm up activities to introduce vocabulary (19:18:31) lgill : one strategy I find helpful is to scaffold whatever I am teaching. using visual is also important (19:18:38) Lewis : what kind of English? grammar? conversational? academic? (19:18:42) ldonza : using visuals is very important when teaching ESL (19:18:44) ldonza : stdents (19:18:51) ldonza : probably all areas (19:19:01) bayala : It is easier for the student to identify the words with its meaning or the picture of what it is. (19:19:12) ChatBot : gcalder has been logged out (Invalid IP address). (19:19:14) ldonza : i agree bernice (19:19:14) ChatBot : bayala has been logged out (Timeout). (19:19:24) ChatBot : bayala logs into the Chat. (19:19:30) sayala : It probably is, but this is an English class therefore English is the topic (19:19:47) ldonza : very possible (19:20:25) ChatBot : gcalder logs into the Chat. (19:20:46) jpalomino : I had a huge folder full of funny pics arranged by topic: transportation, colors, shapes...and so on I used to start some classes with a quick memory game... (19:20:52) Maria_Candelario : I was referring to English either grammar or social (19:21:00) bayala : Anyone discussing?? Lol (19:21:15) ldonza : For example, BICS and CALP??? (19:21:23) Lewis : in my science labs, students can hold up Erylenmeyer flasks, burets, and phenolphthalein to get a deeper understanding of scientific vocabulary. (19:21:50) Maria_Candelario : JPalomino, that's a very good strategy to make students confortable (19:21:55) Maria_Candelario : and to help them with memorizing vocabuarly (19:21:56) Lewis : you're right bernice, (19:22:10) ChatBot : bayala has been logged out (Timeout). (19:22:15) Maria_Candelario : agree with Lewis also. (19:22:16) lgill : science notebooking is a valuablle tool for building vocabulary. (19:22:19) ChatBot : bayala logs into the Chat. (19:22:43) Maria_Candelario : well, we could speak about BICS first (19:22:52) ldonza : Such notebooks can be used in math and even social studies as well (19:22:58) jpalomino : thanx yeah it's fun and i used to repeat it a couple of times a week so they could remember (19:23:39) lgill : In the NSTA Children magazine there is a an article about science notebooking. will share with class next session. (19:23:54) Lewis : So we're focusing on Basic Interpersonal Communication Skills now..... (19:23:56) yrosa : also using language in communicative situations helps (19:24:08) Maria_Candelario : yes (19:24:09) ldonza : BICS is the basic skills students need to know to survive (19:24:14) ChatBot : gcalder has been logged out (Timeout). (19:24:19) ldonza : communication skills i meam (19:24:21) ldonza : mean (19:24:34) Maria_Candelario : Something that I found helps students is journal prompt questions before class (19:24:40) Maria_Candelario : or introducing them to idioms in English (19:24:47) jpalomino : oh I like that (19:24:58) ldonza : i'm going to jot this down (19:25:20) Lewis : When my students do labs, they work together (i.e.) communicate the lab procedure. This helps them learn not only the science, but BICS as well. (19:25:29) ChatBot : gcalder logs into the Chat. (19:25:29) bayala : It is the social communication skills they attain while growing up.... Not necessarily academic language. (19:25:42) ChatBot : oramirez logs into the Chat. (19:25:47) Maria_Candelario : this is true (19:25:48) ldonza : calp is different from bics (19:25:49) Lewis : lucille --> (19:25:50) Maria_Candelario : Lewis (19:25:57) Lewis : yes? (19:25:58) yrosa : also helping the students use language for different purposes (19:26:07) jpalomino : oh cool Robert (19:26:43) lgill : writing in the ciontent area before doing creative writing is probably more beneficial ELls. because the can better make connections. (19:26:48) Maria_Candelario : I meant that I agree with your strategies to promote English Language learning in your science classes (19:27:23) Lewis : my classes are adult oriented, are there BICS differences between teaching youth and adults? (19:27:59) ChatBot : bayala has been logged out (Timeout). (19:28:12) jpalomino : I think that most things said in ESL classes should be also written (19:28:12) ldonza : i dont believe there would be differences (19:28:17) ChatBot : bayala logs into the Chat. (19:28:18) ChatBot : bayala leaves the channel. (19:29:21) ChatBot : bayala enters the channel. (19:29:22) Lewis : the chat is archived at (19:29:27) Lewis : http://terminus.wikispaces.com/c​hat (19:29:59) gcalder : I don't think that there are differences also (19:30:02) bayala : Written and labeled... there should be labels throughout the classroom (19:30:14) jpalomino : yep that helps (19:30:31) ldonza : like word walls u mean? (19:30:40) bayala : in that manner the students are constantly seeing what word is used to identify things. (19:30:53) bayala : No, Lucille -- like the word "door" on the door. (19:31:00) Maria_Candelario : I think that the differences regarding English Language Learning lay more in the way the're learning English like Foreign English Language Learning, or through content, (19:31:05) bayala : "sink" by the sink, etc. (19:31:29) Lewis : that's a good idea, I could do that in science lab as well. [dropped text] (19:36:43) Maria_Candelario : there are many words that are the same on the Fry's and Dolch list (19:36:59) Lewis : @ Yvonne -- (19:15:17) Maria_Candelario: ok,so I wanted to begin tonight by discussing simple strategies in teaching english to second language learners (19:37:01) bayala : Expose them to the vocabulary so they can have "prior knowledge" when you teach the lesson that may have those vocabulary words they may have not known... (19:37:28) Maria_Candelario : yes Bayala (19:37:35) ldonza : this way the student can understand what they are reading better.... (19:37:41) yrosa : this chat room is not working for me (19:37:53) ldonza : y (19:37:58) Maria_Candelario : yes, they'll learn the word and its meaning in isolation and then see it in context (19:38:13) ldonza : exactly (19:38:25) ldonza : I do that with social studies and math all the time (19:39:59) bayala : It is necessary to do so with SS, SCI, and Math bc words can have different meaning based on the context it is being used in and the content being taught. (19:40:11) Maria_Candelario : I find it works with any kind of a book, but I like it best with books that will take more than one day to read (19:40:17) lgill : Having the student create their own minidictionary of words we use in different content area is one of the strtegy I find helpful. They not only write the word but add a picture to reoresent the word. (19:40:34) Maria_Candelario : that way every time I read I'll reintroduce the vocabulary, or ask them if they know what this word means (19:40:48) Maria_Candelario : I agree with IGill (19:40:50) jpalomino : I Like that idea lgill (19:40:51) ChatBot : yrosa leaves the channel. (19:40:59) Lewis : @lucille -- do you have a special "foldable" you use for dictionaries? (19:41:22) Maria_Candelario : that makes the learning meanigful (19:42:03) ChatBot : yrosa enters the channel. (19:42:23) jpalomino : besides using a dictionary or understanding how they work should be a primary skill for any Esl student (19:43:01) Maria_Candelario : I agree (19:43:11) Maria_Candelario : with JPalomino (19:43:16) bayala : You will be surprised.... sometimes students in 5th grade struggle while trying to define words (using the dictionary). (19:43:26) jpalomino : I know been there (19:43:53) bayala : They get frustrated because teachers overlook this (19:43:57) Maria_Candelario : they do struggle to find the words because they don't know how to spell the word (19:43:57) oramirez : Use pictures with ESL students is effective. (19:44:15) Maria_Candelario : but for more advanced students the dictionary works well (19:44:22) ChatBot : yrosa has been logged out (Timeout). (19:44:51) sayala : I want to apologize I will be leaving now to go home, once I arrive to my house I will log back on. Thank you for your understanding (19:44:57) Maria_Candelario : think about these strategies we've just discussed and which ones we could apply for CALP (19:44:57) bayala : Not only because they do not know how to spell the word -- I've seen students have the words in front of them and still cannot find it (19:45:38) Lewis : @bernice how does that happen? (19:45:49) gcalder : Dictionary skills must be taught. (19:45:57) jpalomino : yes it does and there is a wealth of dictionaries in the internet now with pronunciation (not phonetic but the real thing)and all kind of cross reference links (19:46:08) bayala : because they have no dictionary skills. (19:46:27) Lewis : I have yet to find a really good online dictionary. Any suggestions? (19:46:38) ChatBot : yrosa logs into the Chat. (19:46:50) lgill : so it is ouir job to teach them how to use the dictionary. (19:46:52) Lewis : @bernice i see -- no alphabetic awareness? (19:47:04) bayala : they will look for snow and not realize that first they look for "s" then "n" (19:47:12) Maria_Candelario : I agree with LGill that dictionary skills must be taught (19:47:23) Maria_Candelario : and it will take more than just one grade to teach usually (19:47:31) bayala : It absolutely must be taught (19:47:34) jpalomino : well merrian webster is ok (19:47:36) ChatBot : sayala has been logged out (Timeout). (19:48:05) oramirez : For beginners ESL students prefer picture dictionary. (19:48:15) jpalomino : [] (19:48:16) Maria_Candelario : I agree JPalomino, I use Merriam Webster- www.m-w.com (19:48:24) jpalomino : not bad either (19:48:29) ldonza : students today do not want to take the time to open up a dictionary... did you ever notice that? (19:48:32) Lewis : any others? (19:48:53) jpalomino : visaulthesaurus.com (19:49:36) ldonza : For ESL students I definitely recommend a picture dictionary (19:49:42) lgill : there are several simplified student dictionary that are easier for students to use. We can also begin by using the glossary in the textbooks when possible. (19:49:52) jpalomino : IATE this is very technical but super accurate is a multilingual terminological database (19:50:07) bayala : Yes, many schools have Children dictionaries (19:50:10) Lewis : any good online picture dictionaries? (19:50:18) ldonza : some of my students are lazy and dont even want to look in the glossary ... They expect the word to stare at them right in the face (19:50:28) gcalder : Students should be given activities where they would be required to use the dictionary. (19:50:41) ldonza : that is true (19:50:43) jpalomino : [|http://visual.merriam-webster.co​m/] (19:50:58) Maria_Candelario : children's first dictionaries are very good because they are mostly picture based (19:51:00) Lewis : @gcalder any good activities to recommend? (19:51:07) jpalomino : very good for technical stuff (19:51:45) bayala : Well, I've played a game with the students -- they are in groups and I call out a word and the first group that finds the word gets the point for their team... they seem to like it and they are learning dictionary skills in the meanwhile. (19:52:21) lgill : making it funis always good. I palay word bingo with the kids and they enjoy the game as well as learn the words and meanings. (19:52:39) ChatBot : yrosa has been logged out (Timeout). (19:52:39) Lewis : word bingo? (19:53:37) bayala : *we've lost two members. (19:53:55) Maria_Candelario : Word bingo words similar to a regular bingo except they have to get the letters and spell a word (19:54:12) Lewis : I know, I'm emailing them now. (19:54:14) lgill : I use a bingo math with words instead of numbers. I read the meaning of words or give a synonym and the students cover the approprite word. (19:54:32) gcalder : That' a great activity. (19:54:35) ChatBot : yrosa logs into the Chat. (19:54:35) ChatBot : yrosa leaves the channel. (19:54:43) Lewis : word bingo! (19:54:53) ChatBot : oramirez leaves the channel. (19:55:17) ChatBot : yrosa enters the channel. (19:55:27) bayala : These are all fun games that promote awareness (19:55:41) bayala : of words, spelling, etc. (19:55:51) Lewis : don't give up yvonne! just type a period into the box every now and then, and you'll stay logged in. (19:55:59) Maria_Candelario : I agree (19:56:11) bayala : @Lewis: HYSTERICAL (19:56:23) Lewis : ? (19:56:32) Lewis : I'm just trying to help!!! (19:56:34) bayala : *type a period (19:56:34) ChatBot : oramirez enters the channel. (19:56:38) yrosa : ?. (19:56:53) jpalomino : Yes you have to make it fun...what about designing a game with your advanced students (19:57:02) ChatBot : gcalder has been logged out (Invalid IP address). (19:57:04) ldonza : that is an idea (19:57:06) bayala : @Yvonne - you must be active in the discussion so it doesn't time you out. (19:57:24) Lewis : @ bernice -- The period is a form of punctuation, and also has it's own button on the keyboard. (19:57:26) Lewis :. (19:57:38) ChatBot : gcalder logs into the Chat. (19:57:38) Maria_Candelario :. (19:57:39) ChatBot : lgill has been logged out (Timeout). (19:57:45) jpalomino : like snake and ladders but adapted to the vocabulary that you are learning (19:57:47) bayala :. (19:58:05) Lewis : you don't have to type out a sentence, just hit the period button every now and then. (19:58:09) Lewis :. (19:58:16) Maria_Candelario :. (19:58:25) yrosa : it wont let me (19:59:03) yrosa : ................. (19:59:08) Lewis : you just typed something! so just type a period instead! (19:59:13) Lewis : yes! (19:59:16) bayala : LOL! (19:59:25) bayala : There you go, Yvonne. (19:59:29) Lewis : not proper englisch (20:00:03) yrosa : after an hour (20:00:34) bayala : So.... what's another strategy? (20:00:47) ChatBot : lgill logs into the Chat. (20:00:47) ChatBot : lgill leaves the channel. (20:01:31) Lewis : just to remind, you can review this conversation at http://terminus.wikispaces.com/c​hat (20:02:00) bayala : Can you remind us at the end of this class? (20:02:04) bayala : TKU. (20:02:12) Maria_Candelario : well, something else which helps with the social language would as well as promoting critical thinking would be having students explain their thinking after answering a question. (20:02:34) Lewis : Trustee Knowledge and Understanding (20:02:40) ChatBot : yrosa has been logged out (Timeout). (20:02:46) bayala : Yes, saying their thinking process aloud. (20:03:00) jpalomino : that is complicated (20:03:14) Lewis : that's a good idea though. (20:03:27) ChatBot : oramirez has been logged out (Timeout). (20:03:28) jpalomino : it is but for advanced students (20:03:38) bayala : It works well in math (20:03:44) bayala : and science - for experiments (20:04:07) Lewis : in a science class, a student could justify a hypothesis by verbally explaining the hypothesis through the scientific method. (20:04:15) Maria_Candelario : well, even for low proficiency students they can use pictures, or words they've already acquired to explain their reasoning (20:04:33) ldonza : How do ESL students express themselves out loud when they barely know the language? I'm just curious how we as teachers can help them build on their expression (20:04:37) Lewis : how could you use a picture to reason? (20:04:48) bayala : I think the younger students can apply this strategy as well depending on their vocabulary bank. (20:05:34) bayala : and what stage they are in (Stages of SLA) (20:06:59) bayala : @ Lewis -- in Math -- 2 + 5 = 7 -- they can draw two dots, draw five more and get 7 (20:07:03) Maria_Candelario : well, if you're asking them to explain their answer/opinion on a book, they could draw a picture showing the scene from the book (20:07:19) ldonza : I see (20:07:34) bayala : That shows you what they were thinking (20:07:44) Lewis : i don't-- how would that help their reasoning? (20:08:01) ldonza : True but how will they learn how to verbally express themselves (20:08:09) Lewis : @bernice dominoes! (20:08:20) Maria_Candelario : it helps their critical thinking, because they have to be aware of why they think something, showing proof (20:08:46) bayala : domino math works too (20:09:15) bayala : And it shows that they understand the task at hand (20:09:23) Lewis : I can see how a picture can reinforce vocabulary, but how could pictures be used in explaining a thesis, cause&effect, etc? (20:09:32) Maria_Candelario : verbally expressing themselves comes with time, maybe when they're beginners they'll draw pics or use single words to express thoughts, but as they aquire more language they could do it verbally (20:09:37) ldonza : that's what i meant to say Lewis (20:10:19) bayala : Well, Lewis, as we learning drawing is used only in the pre-producation and early stages... when they are just learning the second language. (20:11:26) bayala : to demonstrate an unsderstanding... after that they have built their vocabulary enough to verbalize although they may not word sentences grammatically correct. (20:11:31) Lewis : so drawing pictographs can help facilitate critical thinking? (20:11:32) Maria_Candelario : well cause and effect is something that has to be taught specifically. (20:11:51) bayala : *learned (20:12:23) Lewis : I think visual learning is a great way to enhance critical thinking, I'm just looking for examples that can be used in the classroom. (20:12:46) ChatBot : gcalder has been logged out (Timeout). (20:13:11) Maria_Candelario : it is a way to teach students how to explain their thinking. (20:13:21) jpalomino :. (20:14:05) bayala : Well, you use visual learning when you model what you want the studetns to do (20:14:33) Lewis : Okay -- so like in a chemical reaction where the reactant is blue in color and the product is yellow in color, the ESL student could use the colors to explain what a chemical reaction is? (20:14:58) Maria_Candelario : does anyone have any questions? (20:15:23) Maria_Candelario : yes Lewis (20:15:34) Lewis : (20:15:35) bayala : I would say yes to that (20:15:57) bayala : No questions on my end (20:16:10) jpalomino : neither here (20:16:12) ldonza : I'm good. I dont have any questions (20:16:17) Lewis : nope (20:17:28) bayala : Lewis, can u provide that URL again (20:17:34) Lewis : http://terminus.wikispaces.com/c​hat (20:17:35) bayala : TKU (20:17:50) Lewis : no prob (20:18:20) bayala : Is the class over? (20:18:28) bayala : Silence in the chat (20:18:35) bayala : We are down to 4 ppl (20:18:39) ldonza : is it over? (20:18:42) Maria_Candelario : ok, so we'll stop here for today (20:18:53) Maria_Candelario : thank you guys for showing up. (20:18:58) Maria_Candelario : I wrote your names down (20:19:08) bayala : Have a pleasant and warm night everyone!! (20:19:09) jpalomino : it was fun... (20:19:09) Maria_Candelario : and you will be credited for this. (20:19:10) Lewis : happy holidays! And if anyone is going to class tomorrow plz get me copies (20:19:19) Maria_Candelario : If you have any questions please email me (20:19:21) bayala : Absolutely -- this was good. (20:19:22) jpalomino : yep u too...I doubt it (20:19:28) jpalomino : going to class (20:19:45) jpalomino : good night everyone!!! (20:19:52) bayala : ADIOS (20:19:55) Maria_Candelario : Good night